And don't get on here talking about how powerful Kid Buu is. TheDragonThatHasLongSinceForgottenHisName 02:29, November 2, 2011 (UTC) By this logic Gohan > SSJ3 Goku. 121.222.11.242 04:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC), "A full powered version of a ssj3 Goku could've beaten Gohan.". So, no. Which means that his power will be again multiplied after he transforms into a SSJ1 and 2. I for one follow the Anime. Gohan does become stronger than Goku, but not necessarily significantly so. In the other world, ss3 is strongest because his energy consumption is a lot less rapid. no you dont. vegeta said goku was the ONLY one who could fight kid buu. Share Share Tweet Email. That's when he started powering up, because he was pretty sure he could beat Kid Buu fully powered. gohan > super buu > Gotenks > Kid buu > Goku > vegeta >. 2. Topic Archived; Page 1 of 2; Last ; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. I personally think SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. So no, super buu is not stronger than kid buu. Now if Gotenks is that much stronger at SSJ 3 than when he was only SSj1, then he's much stronger than Goku. There aren't a ton of fictional characters who can stand up to Goku in Ultra Instinct form, but Marvel has a few that could make short work of him. So this guy's question is invalid anyways. It's not that he was weaker it's because he can't just power up to full right away. gotenks wasnt "barely keeping up". Movies dont mean squat because they have so many plot holes. "no he doesnt. there is no need to divide up other people's posts and insert your 2 cents. The only explanation why ssj3 Goku was losing to Super Buu Gotenks absorbed is because he was supressing. stop editing posts. Gotenks is a fighting genius?! When Goku was letting Vegeta get beat up it was so he could gather energy to beat kid buu who is just as strong as super buu, canon. Son Gohan: The People's Champ Ok SSJ3 Goku only got one hit in on Buutenks. Remember Super Buu tried to destroy the world to but Vegito stopped him. dragonball0900 3 months ago #18. Obviously he would be. Tell me how you know this. EntertainmentFan14 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC). Which he does in Battle of Gods and GT, so argue with this. Here is my Reaction to the Episode!! Super Buu=SSj3 Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)>>>SSj Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)>>SSj Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT)=SSj3 Goku>Base Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)>>Base Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT). wrong. again this is when goku wants the next gen to beat buu, not himself. Super Saiyan 3 is not a set power level. He compared the results he thought he'd get by fusing with Vegeta, to Gotenks. -UltimateSSJ1-. goku stated that he could PROBLY beat kid buu( my opinion the strongest buu cause vegeta said his power increased after piccolo, gohan, goten, trunks buu was released). he all but admitted ssj1 gotenks is stronger than him. Piccolo stated it himself. 10 Things The Saiyan Can Do In Dragon Ball (That The God Of Destruction Can't) Beerus really showed Dragon Ball fans just how much stronger Goku needed to be. Ultimate Gohan is way stronger than super saiyan 3 Goku (don't bring Hirudegarn, Goku is my favorite character but this is all dragon punch PIS). Adding on to that Vegeta said Goku is the only one capable of fighting Kid. And who the fuck said it wasn't canon? So the bottom line is Gohan beats everyone below buutenks, User:Dbzfan999sig 17:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC) Actually this is the order Gohan>Super Buu=SSj3 Gotenks>>>SSj Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)>>>SSj3 Goku. Like Gohan, Captain Marvel can also transform when she has absorbed enough energy. On top of that AFTER he fought Kid Buu he said at full power he could beat him so obviously at full power he's stronger as he knew what Kid's strength was when he made that statement. Gohan does become stronger than Goku, but not necessarily significantly so. He also takes punches that did damage to Gohan, like they were nothing. By Movie 13 and 14, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks, who had previously been stronger than him. After a week of training, Gotenks had increased greatly. Like Galactus, Silver Surfer can manipulate energy, he is telepathic, he can time travel, and can manipulate matter. And I mean stronger than regular Super Buu not the Z Fighters absorbed versions. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. 18:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC). Everyone who watches Dragon Ball knows the exploits of Goku and his recent incredible rise in power with the autonomous Ultra Instinct. As the hero of the story, Goku's main goal, besides saving the Earth and its inhabitants, is to find the strongest opponent he can and test his abilities. Explain why Goku would let Gohan beat Piccolo Buu if SSJ3 Goku could defeat him? Except base Gotenks fought Fat Buu and got his ass handed over to him, while SSJ3 Goku could have beaten him. Anyways, Buu adds Gohan's power and  becomes even stronger than he was before. I swear I heard him say that when I saw that episode. She can manipulate energy, control it, absorb it, shoot it, and use it to power up. 121.222.11.242 07:11, August 15, 2011 (UTC). When kid buu evolved for the first time, what did vegeta said?? from what we KNOW, base gotenks is more powerful than ssj3 goku whos equal to goku. He stated that he could've beaten Fat Buu when he first encountered him. - Tien, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfHHyRTUSg, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0Sxotf4aI, TheDragonThatHasLongSinceForgottenHisName, https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_ultimate_Gohan_actually_stronger_than_a_ssj3%3F?oldid=1344764. cell supressed his power. | Dragon Ball Taiyou - Episode 4 - … So the gap is only 400 times at the most, which still proves nothing. Goku's help was negligible, all he did was tell Gohan to stop holding back. 121.222.11.242 06:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC). And piccolo knows gohan even more than goku does. Is Goten Goku's MINOR Son? in funi dub, goku is clearly the strongest besides vegetto because he holds off kid buu whos the strongest of all buus. so how can gohan not beat the "ssj2 level"?Broly Rocks 08:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC), ok to clear things up... super buu is WAY stronger than kid buu, but kid buu is more dangerous. So he sends the boys to the ROSAT(Room Of Spirit And Time). Ultimate gohan could barley hold his own against super buu w/gotenks absorbed. Then again at the time it stilled drained a lot of Goku's energy. not once did i see him use intelligence or polished fighting skills.". Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Ok, first of all, Akira Toriyama stated that Whis is now the strongest character in DBZ, so any references to Ultimate Gohan being the strongest is automatically crap. LEARN TO FUCKING USE GRAMMAR AND SPELLING. I'm pretty sure that ssj3 goku is stronger, but if they fought ultimate gohan could win he draw out the battle because of the amout of energy needed to sustain the ssj3 form. no one believes that, especially piccolo. Was watching a YT video of Goku seeing SSJ3 Gotenks for the first time and Supreme Kai asks Goku if Gotenks is stronger than him. When Vegeta and Goku say that Kid Buu>Super buu it was when it was transform to the Ultimade Buu when he absorve the North kai That strong Kai. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH BUU IS STRONGER. Broly Rocks 08:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC). The only thing that can really stop Gohan is Toriyama. Broly Rocks 08:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC). SSJ3 Goku is only on screen for about 2 minutes and kills Hirudagarn. Seriously you guys. It is quite obvious. Now if Gotenks is that much stronger at SSJ 3 than when he was only SSj1, then he's much stronger than Goku. You saying your smarter than me has no basis, and saying "thousands of times weaker" just proves how much of an iidot you are. Some people would say that he wants the next gen to fight Buu, well this was the case when Goku was dead and i totally agree. goku clearly stated that he could have beat fat buu before, but didn't just because he wanted to give gohan and the kids a shot. here goku is saying hes not at full power, and if he was,he could defeat kid buu. I thing it was vegeta or sayian saga that to use spirit bomb you need pure energy or at least a decent energy.Now gohan couldnt give his energy because to unlease the power of SSJ2 you need the feeling of wrath and with that feeling your energy is impure.And if you remember Gohan tell to the elder Kai how he could unleashe his power and he say do your Super Sayian trick. But both moves were still a normal Kamehameha. not gohan. you cant. Things aren't always as they seem. Now we know that Goku said he could have beaten Majin Buu (and he said this pretty definitely) when he first met him, and he seemed to be holding his own against Kid Buu, but concluded that though they were about equal, Goku didn't have enough power to actually beat him. I think Ultimate Gohan is because He had no problem against Super Buu befor he absorbed Gotenks SSJ3. This lets him conserve energy for when the battle is getting really tough. He had superior fighting experience and played mind tricks on him. It is obvious that Kid buu is weaker than Super Buu because Goku could na.ot even handle Fat Buu. Was going to school, gets married and has a job, while goku...is still training. First of all, everyone knows about SSJ3 Gotenks having a slight advantage over Super Buu, and Ultimate Gohan had an overwhelming advantage, thus making him stronger. This is also the case for Movie 12, as seen when SSJ3 Goku was beaten up by Super Janemba, who is put around having equal strength as Super Buu. my question is why the fuck didn't they just wish for immortality or infinite energy rather than energy restoration... WHAT THE FUCK. 18:42, October 25, 2011 (UTC), Ya I figured that I was supposed to do that. hes also a genius at rapidly discovering new levels of ssj without someone else showing it to them first. If the fight continued I have no doubt that Goku woulda been beat like Gohan. When super buu is transforming back into kid buu, goku and vegeta both state that his power is increasing. 121.222.11.242 06:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC), Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks, as shown by him easily beating up Super Buu. He said that they are no match for his strenght, wanted to get outside and fuse in order to beat buu and they notice that they were smaller than fleas after that. When Mystic Gohan fought Super Buu, he easily crushed him, something that not even SSj3 Gotenks could do. So that is why Gohan lost. If Gohan's power was so great it should have been enough for the Spirit Bomb. gohan unlocked his full potentiel so it was probably only ssj2.5 he never beat the ssj2 level, theres no such thing as ssj2.5 nor is ssj2 a set power level. It's obvious they meant he's unrestrained as in he's stronger and all his power is available to him now. Like Goku would refute a fight unless he knew he couldn't win. They where about equal. They do not state that he the most powerful, they do say he is the most dangerous. so what? Comment your opinion on who is stronger or better. that was anime filler only. Now, Buutenks, beat Ultimate Gohan pretty badly. And I think Hirudegarn was either the same or more powerful then Super Buu. During the Cell Saga, Gohan became the show's strongest hero, but slacked off on his training as he grew older. and his over-powered dragon fist technique capable of 1 hit KOing any enemy. 07:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC), Haha Supreme trust you to point out the plot hole of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Ultimate Gohan. SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks. Dragon Ball Super Episode 90 Was Incredible!! There are a couple times where its implied that Gohan is stronger. So Goku is better in the end but i would say Gohan will always have more potential. Back to the point, Gotenks is HIGHLY unskilled in fighting, and only has an impressive power level. This is the same Super Buu that Ultimate Gohan effortlessly walked all over. base gotenks x 50 = ssj gotenks. Who was stronger, not the better fighter, but stronger in raw power. "Gohan is the strongest non-fused character at the end of Dragon Ball.". Gotenks was barely able to keep up with Super Buu in his SSj3 form, whereas Goku was stronger than Fat Buu, and >= to Kid Buu. and even more evidence points to goku > gohan in the manga buu arc. It's pretty simple, besides a FPSSJ3 or MSSJ3 to where it wouldn't drain his energy, would be more than enough for Ultimate Gohan. Gotenks is a fighting IDIOT! he was kicking ass. To contradict this, we can't technically say that Gotenks was the quintessential SSJ3, because he could only hold that form when fused, and, after all, he's a kid with much less fighting experience. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Now, in Wrath of the Dragon, when fighting against Hirudagarn, Ultimate Gohan gets pummeled. Super Buu was just Bad Buu that absorbed the Good Buu. (Also think about how much more dangerous Kid Buu is to fight than Super Buu. I disagree, since Goku Gt = Z Goku SSj, if he went SSj3 he would count as 50 times Z Goku SSj3, which you cannot argue is far stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Z, not to mention in Gt. . Well if you disagree with me look how Gohan was acting when he was Fighting Cell. However, goku might have said that gotenks is stronger. Goten easily has the most potential of the three but he’s never really been focused on, so he remains the weakest by several orders of magnatude. EntertainmentFan14 14:40, October 16, 2011 (UTC). DrunkenPilot72 11 years ago #5. ssj3 is only 4 times stronger than ssj2. SSJ3!!! This is the only thing we have than can draw a clear winner. the manga and japanese version are the only versions that count and have much less plot holes. Definitely vegeta was comparing him with the one he fought just a while ago, Buu+piccolo+gohan+goten+trunks. But if we look at the end, then definitely goku is my choice. goku in base is not as strong as ssj3 goku in z. 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