Once that happens, you get metal-to-metal contact between the bearing and journal surfaces, which causes scuffing, increased friction and heat. When you pull one cap you can see the one next to it and it looked fine too. Mahle/Clevite has a very nice guide on their website to help you diagnose bearing wear patterns and failures. i shut it down, checked the oil and there was white creamy stuff on the cap. 2. 2. This is not a race car so if it something I can fix without pulling the engine and inspecting everything I would be happy. PFF. The discoloration is a result of excessive heat. Tighter bearing clearances require thinner oils while looser bearing clearances of .003˝ to .004˝ in “old school” motors and race motors require thicker oils (20W-50 or 50W) to maintain the protective oil film between the bearings and their journals. Spun bearings are often blamed on a loss of oil pressure, but there can be numerous contributing factors that eventually cause the bearing to seize and spin. After warm up the ticking is gone, except when I rev the engine the ticking is there. I think I have spun a bearing on a new short block with almost 1500 miles on it. Let's start from the beginning. Could it be the culprit to fail the engine? To continue, I decided to drive her for a few thousand miles and see if it got better. It stumbles then catches, same in other gears. Could it be a main bearing on the crank that's spun? Bearings installed incorrectly (oil holes do not line up with the gallery holes). The damage is usually limited to the main journal surface on the crank and the main bore housing. Often this … Spun Bearing. Your rod looks something like this and you are wondering "what happened? Spun rod bearings are the most common failure. Sounds like a #4 rod bearing. "...It may have even broke, but the big end is discolored like in the picture.The discoloration is a result of excessive heat. The rod bearing basically floats on a cushion of oil between it and the crankshaft. Recently got a spun rod bearing, I think , because I hear a knocking from 1900-3200 rpms. A spun main bearing will tear up the main bore in the block but rarely will it cause the crank to fail. What Does Rod Knock Sound Like? This can discolor the crank journal and/or blacken the big end of the rod. The most common cause is a spun bearing. IP: Logged. What parts do I have to replace (usually)? A spun bearing is bad news because it usually seizes itself around the crankshaft journal. If the rod bearing wears enough, it’ll be too much for this cushion and you’ll hear a rod knock sound. Almost without exception, this is caused by a spun rod bearing. I pulled 4 rod caps, one out of each pair on the crank and they all look fine. It doesn't sound like you spun a bearing from your description. i had to get the engine replaced a while ago because it ran completly out of oil way faster than it should have and no one told me the ticking from my engine was bad. It wasn't metallic nor does it sound like rod knock. It can happen in a stock engine or race engine, gasoline engine or diesel engine. Rod bearings spin due to a colapse of the oil film between the crank journal and rod bearing. That’s really bad news because a broken rod flailing around inside an engine can obviously do a lot of damage! Don’t reuse torque-tow-yield (TTY) bolts because they stretch when tightened and may break if reused. A babbitt overlay on a tri-metal bearing offers good seizure resistance, but once it goes away the copper layer underneath lacks seizure resistance. If you have any doubt, I would get it checked out to be sure it isn’t serious. So you heard a knocking sound in the bottom end. The bearing shell will likely be seized to the crankshaft and be spinning inside the rod. In any event, a new bottom end is in order. FYI, this is what spun bearings sounds like: DSCF9005.mp4 video by tlangy001 - Photobucket DSCF9004.mp4 video by tlangy001 - Photobucket And even with that small sound at that low RPM, my crank was so damaged I didn't even bother - I just put … Rod bearings spin due to a colapse of the oil film between the crank journal and rod bearing. This sounds nothing like that. ... 1/8" is a lot on a rod bearing, and about what you'd see if the bearing halves had spun and gone over each other. Late-model engines such as a Chevy LS or Ford modular V8 with tighter main and rod bearing clearances of .0015˝ to .002˝ usually require a thin multi-viscosity motor oil such as 5W-20. Also, if the bearings are spun, and it has been rattling for very long, it can deform the crank journal and also the rod journal (make them egg-shaped. Hi all I've decided to start a new post on my possible spun bearing issue and my other post was getting messy with other issues the car has, hope this is allowed. We'll see when we get it out. Recently got a spun rod bearing, I think , because I hear a knocking from 1900-3200 rpms. Word of advice...drop the exhaust, drop the oil pan, look for shavings in the pan/oil pickup, wiggle all the rods up-and-down & side-to-side. some of you may remember my past post about this and thank you for your responses. IF the bearing is actually spun than there is no product that will make it last. However, I don't see why the noise would get quieter as the engine got hotter. Almost without exception, this is caused by a spun rod bearing. I had to start it up again sooner and sooner each time and rev the engine to keep it going. Actually the look brand new, can't believe they have 25k miles on them. Your rod looks something like this and you are wondering if it can be used or if it can be fixed.. The most common cause of rod knock is a spun bearing, which is when the rod bearing essentially jams up. Rod bearings spin due to a colapse of the oil film between the crank journal and rod bearing. Also, prime the oil system to prevent a dry start. ... One of the most common causes of rod knock is a spun bearing where the bearing literally spins in the end of the rod so that it has become out of position. Automotive engines use bearings to allow internal engine parts to spin without coming into contact, as the bearings are designed to allow a film of oil to sit between the moving parts, thus prohibiting metal-on-metal contact. You shut the engine off and tear it down. A spun bearing is usually the end result of a chain of unfortunate events. The sound is faint, but noticeable. To view their guide, click HERE. A spun rod bearing will tear up the big end bore in the rod, ruin the rod journal on the crankshaft, and sometimes break the connecting rod. What is it? Usually, a spun bearing happens because either you were doing something stupid with an old engine (revving an engine with 200k miles on it up to redline) or you ran it dry of oil. If you’re building a race motor, make sure the oil pump can deliver the oil flow the engine will need at high RPM. A spun main bearing will tear up the main bore in the block but rarely will it cause the crank to fail. I feel your pain. The bearing that sits between the rod and the crankshaft can spin in place. (For what it's worth, the rod bearings are keyed in place on the rod and ride on a thin film of oil - if the rod bearing consistently contacts the crankshaft due to low or no oil pressure, the friction will heat the bearing and eventually the bearing will spin inside the rod. At that point, you get a seized or spun bearing with whatever additional damage it causes. When these bearing go bad, glaring signs will let you know they … Why this happens is a topic of great discussion. Thank you very much in advance for all your comments. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2 ... spun rod bearings sound like a terrible lifter tap, main bearings sound less metallic-- you will no it when you hear it i promise . One of the most common causes of rod knock is a spun bearing where the bearing literally spins in the end of the rod so that it has become out of position. What happens next depends on the bearing’s location. What do Worn engine bearings sound like? Spun rod bearings are the most common failure. System Bot. If the piston is hitting the head it's a destroyed rod bearing IP: Logged. Examine these to make sure there are no loose pieces, broken bolts or incorrectly sized parts that could account for a loose operation or problem with vibration that's causing the knocking. Rod knocks are … Misalignment of the bearing shell and crank journal. New main and/or rod bolts are also recommended. I am trying to figure out if this is a spun bearing and if so do I have to pull the engine to fix. Your rod looks something like this and you are wondering "what happened? After the spun rod bearing sound occurred, I drove home and I tried inspecting the truck in my driveway with the engine running but it kept stalling. I dismantled a VW 1600 engine that had spun a rod bearing. Normally, bearings allow the crank to glide on a hydrodynamic film of oil between the bearing surface and journal. After the repair is competed, the new rod and main bearings need to be plastigauged to ensure proper clearance. 3. There are only a few issues that can cause a rod to start knocking. Occasionally the bearing will spin and seize when attempting to start the engine and the starter will be unable to overcome the the drag. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 19 of 19 Posts. Too late for the crank, but the block will still be good until you throw a rod/piston. If the rod bearing wears enough, it’ll be too much for this cushion and you’ll hear a rod knock sound. If it flashes once for every knock, you have a valve train problem. Fill the crankcase with a relatively thick racing oil and you’ll have problems right from the start. Tear it down before the block is junk. Listen to the latest Underhood Service podcast. "...It may have even broke, but the big end is discolored like in the picture.The discoloration is a result of excessive heat. The inserts were fused to the crank shaft journal and had to be chiseled off. Check the oil pump for wear, damage or excessive clearances and replace as needed. i was practicing driving a stick from an uphill start in my aunts truck. So I would say if this happened right after you seen the frame hit hard, I would suspect flexplate. Oil pump cavitation and aeration at high RPM due to pump design, restrictions in the pump inlet tube or pickup, or oil sloshing away from the pickup in the bottom of the pan due to extreme cornering, acceleration or braking forces. That’s really bad news because a broken rod flailing around inside an engine can obviously do a lot of damage! A spun rod bearing will tear up the big end bore in the rod, ruin the rod journal on the crankshaft, and sometimes break the connecting rod. The sound seems like its coming from the middle of the engine but I cant feel it anywhere with the screw driver. A spun bearing is bad news because it usually seizes itself around the crankshaft journal. Bearing clearances too tight for the oil viscosity being used. Spun bearing - Engine Rebuild - what to do? Make sure the engine has no oiling issues and is capable of achieving and maintaining good oil pressure. Spun rod bearings are the most common failure. Average repair cost is $5,250 at 85,000 miles. You'll soon find it. It could also indicate a rod bearing that has spun on the journal. Make sure the oil pan is filled with the correct amount and viscosity of oil before the engine is fired up. When this happens it can move out of position and your Transit Courier will develop knocking rods. I have a 417 ci Ford M engine in a Fox Mustang with 4v cc heads the Runs 12.00 ET at 113.5 mph. Follow basic assembly rules such as pre-lubing the front of the bearings with assembly lube or oil, and making sure the backs of the bearing shells are clean and dry. Sounds described as ticking could be caused by anything from harmless high pressure fuel pump noise to a bottom end rod knock. Is the symptom of stalling sooner and sooner consistent with a spun rod bearing? I had a spun main bearing due to low oil, the crankshaft journal is pretty scratched, no dents just looks spun on the surface. Spun Rod Bearing???? Good luck on fixing the car. I am trying to figure out if this is a spun bearing and if so do I have to pull the engine to fix. mattwa ... A spun bearing is usually signaled by a loud knocking noise, even at idle. A spun rod bearing will tear up the big end bore in the rod, ruin the rod journal on the crankshaft, and sometimes break the connecting rod. Examine the rod bearings. It isn't consistently present, but it is there the majority of the time when the engine is warm. So much for an easy fix. A spun bearing is bad news because it usually seizes itself around the crankshaft journal. One way to identify the cylinder connected with the faulty rod bearing is to open the car hood and pull out all spark plug wires one by one. Make sure the oil pump pickup tube is secure and the pickup screen is unobstructed and located at the proper height above the bottom of the oil pan. They can spontaneously spin the bearing, but that is not very common. Spun a rod bearing? But if there is a sudden loss of oil pressure and flow, especially at high RPM, the protective film can disappear in an instant. What happens next depends on the bearing’s location. Joined ... ^ Great point. Whether it be from no oil in the sump, pickup being starved or some other reason as to why oil was not circulating through the system. In many cases, with a spun bearing you will find a rod forming into a egg shape that is found more desirable to replace than an attempted repair including the use of oversized bearings. Spun Rod Bearing???? Stay up to date with the latest Underhood Service news. Why this happens is a topic of great discussion. So you hear a knocking sound in the bottom end. What happens next depends on the bearing’s location. I can feel the knocking coming from the clutch ( where you bleed your clutch ) but not the oil pan . If you are building a race motor, use performance bearings rather than stock bearings. Consequently, if there is enough scuffing, friction and heat due to a lack of lubrication, the bearing will melt, smear and stick to the crank journal. Extremely high bearing-to-crank loads due to lugging, detonation or high boost or nitrous applications. EngIne striped down, found rod bearing #4 spun and sealant half blocked at oil channel and oil passage as attachment below. If the sound is eliminated, this means that the cylinder from where the p… Jump to Latest Follow ... or anything with the Variable valve timing. It isn't consistently present, but it is there the majority of the time when the engine is warm. Engine produced rod knocking sound, oil pressure test ok, compression test ok for bank #1, #2 and #3 but #4 KO. My 2012 Sti spun a rod bearing. Some places may lend you their ear for free if you need a second opinion. Jump to Latest Follow ... Also the knock is DEEP in the motor. Spun rod bearings are the most common failure. 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